breaking news. it is d day for casey anthony. she learned her fate for the counts that she is guilty of. she could be released at the end of this month or august. a highly anticipated meeting on the federal deficit is getting under way at this very moment between the president and the top congressional leaders on the hill. and a man hiking the back country with his wife is mauled to death by a grizzly. the first fatal attack in the park in some 25 years. we'll get to all of that this morning. it's a jam-packed thursday morning. i'm thomas roberts. i appreciate your time. it's sentencing day for casey anthony. a while ago, the punishment was handed down. >> i will sentence you to one year in the orange county jail, imposing a $1,000 fine on each

count of four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served. >> this punishment comes two days after she was acquitted of first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, caylee marie. both sides are haggling over time served, time credited. so the exact time that she will have behind bars is now unknown. lilia luciano is outside of the courtroom in orlando. this went pretty smooth inside that courtroom? >> reporter: it was, thomas. it definitely was. both sides are calculating, along with judge perry, how much credit casey anthony will get for the time served. my colleague, kerry sanders, was actually out there with protesters, still expecting to hear how long she will spend in jail, tells me that he's done

the math over and over and he calculates if you take into account not only the time served but good conduct and the average time that somebody spent in jail for a misdemeanor in florida, she should walk today. he still insists that she will and he's there getting ready to see what will happen with the protesters who have been aggravated and angry ever since they heard the verdict. >> lilia, thank you. we want to get to the big questions of what is next for casey anthony. we want to bring in our legal team. i'm joined by veteran criminal trial lawyer, ricky, and wendy murphy, former prosecutor. i know we have a lot to talk about. wendy, what is your reaction, the initial reaction to what the judge was able to do? because according to everyone that i have talked to, he threw the book at her, at least the

book that he was given to the jury. >> it was a paper back but a book nonetheless. he gave her the max. no question. why he chose to do that, my sense is, although judges may never admit this, when there is a mob outside and they are angry and they believe something happened to this child, even though she's acquitted, when the public feels like the justice system failed, the judge will do what needs to be done to keep things calm. let's say judge perry is right, that she will have at most one more month behind the bars, or at least a few weeks, it allows this noise to calm down. >> do you agree with ricky, that it allows it to dissipate and the fact that there are angry mobs. there are people across this country that are angry but they are not outside the courthouse all gathered together. does this give an apiecement to people that are upset at the justice system? >> really what the judge was

doing here is looking at another factor. because there's a compensation factor that we're dealing here with the possibility of casey anthony having to, in essence, maybe reparation or restitution for what she caused. he's saying, look, i'm looking at each of these statements separate and apart and i want to make sure that i sentence her for one statement, one by one, and i think he was correct. >> threats, though, have been coming in ever since the verdicts came out. i want you to take a listen to what the family attorney had to say about the strain that this is taking on the anthonyses. mark lippman appeared on the "today" show and he represents casey's parents. >> if you can imagine, one, losing your granddaughter and then, two, three years of living

hell of going through depositions, the searches, the trials, the tribulations that this family has faced is enormous and no one could be expected to go through with the grace and dignity that they have been able to keep going. >> so do you think that there really is a valid threat out there against casey if sherp to get out of jail, at least within the next week and we know the probability will be probably by the end of the month? >> yeah. i mean, why not? i sometimes get threats for being a pundit. i predicted, you know, on the "today" show, the first to predict that she would be acquitted, i got all kinds of threatening e-mails. if they were threatening me, i'm sure that people are angry. and these are people that believe that she killed her daughter. they are more angry at casey and her family. it's too bad. i really feel ashamed of my country, if you will, that we can have this kind of mob mentality. you should be able to be angry and civilized and i just don't

like this. i understand people's anger. i don't like it when we act like animals. >> one thing people need to remember is the fact that she was determined not guilty by the jury doesn't mean innocent. one of the biggest reacts of outrage in this case has been the no justice for the deceased response, no justice for caylee. one of the jurors commented on that in an interview with abc. i want everybody to take a look at what she had to say. >> it doesn't feel good. it was a horrible decision to have to make but i had to do it based on the law. there wasn't enough evidence. there wasn't anything strong enough to say exactly -- i don't think anyone in america could tell us exactly how she died. if you put even just the 12 jurors in a room with a piece of paper, how did caylee die, nobody knows. >> she really hits the nail on the head pointing out the fact that the prosecution did not lay out a case to present to the jury to go in there to deliberate over the how, the

why, the where, just the motive in general. >> they could not. could not pin the tail on the donkey. i mean, the prosecution did what it could do with what it had. the only fault i find with the prosecution is that they should have never made this a death case. if this case had been an aggravated manslaughter case, it would have had a different feeling for that jury. it was very, very difficult when weapon don't know how, what, when, where, how, why and the why also became a big question for this jury. they didn't buy the prosecution motive. >> do you think real quickly that they are going to go after cindy anthony for perjury? >> ultimately, i doubt it. >> wendy, what do you sni. >> no, no way. the grabbed mother has divided loyalties and the grandchild has suffered. i've never once seen a grand jury persecution. we expect that. >> thank you both. appreciate it.

coming up, we're going to talk with a man who know what is it is like to preside over a judge because of a media circus. that is larry seidlin. right now, president obama is in a big meeting today. heavy hitters inside the beltway to take to avert another financial crisis. just moments before going into that meeting, house speaker boehner made these remarks on what republicans have refused to budge on until now. that's taxes. >> we believe that comprehensive tax reform, both on the corporate side and personal side would make america more competitive, help create jobs in our country, and it's something that is under discussion. >> key players on both sides of the chamber on capitol hill and both sides of the aisle are trying to find the mix and

increases that they can sell to members. mike have a keer real estate is at the white house. explain to all of us how significant are these comments that we are getting from speaker boehner? >> well, you really need to read between the lines but if you do so, they are swinging for the fences, including president obama's comments yesterday that everything is on the table. he wants to go for a $4 trillion deal reducing the debt by $4 trillion over the next ten years. another headline making waves this morning came into the washington post reporting that social security was on the table as well. the white house has been pushing back hard on this all morning. essentially confirming the story but saying that the president has been talking about making adjustments to social security ever since the state of the union and comments ever since then while emphasizing the fact that the president doesn't want to slash benefits for retirees and go back on the promises that

were made for people who have invested in the system. so there seems to be a lot of wiggle room here. you know the story here, thomas. the republicans say that they want to cut spending. they say that taxes are off the table but leaves open the question of so called tax breaks or spending in the tax code. in other words, tax breaks given to large corporations. you've heard about the president say more or less symbolic issues, a larger revenue raiser about tax subsidies for the oil and gas industry. the question is, would republicans go along with that? and they appear to be moving towards some sort of trade off, taking tax cuts on one hand and eliminating some of those tax breaks on the other hand. the devil is in the details. they are meeting now. we just received word that the congressional meeting is under way. the top eight republican and democrat and house sitting down in the white house with the president. >> mike, keep us posted.

thank you. so the debt debate has grown into a national issue they want resolve and the new polling indicates that six and ten americans want that reduction to be the top priority in washington and want a solution to the problem as soon as possible. tim is a member of the house budget committee and the house tea party caucus and joins me now. nice to have you on. >> thank you. >> the republicans will not compromise on tax cuts for the wealthy. i know that speaker boehner gave a different indication. take a list zone to what eric cantor said this morning. >> if the president wants to talk loopholes, fine. we need tax cuts somewhere else. because we are not for raising taxes. we have a sputtering economy and so many people out of work. >> all right. so the number two republican though in the senate, john kyl,

says that they are open to raising revenues and that we are hearing from spoker boehner this morning. which one is it? we're seeing this fresh video coming in from the first images of them all sitting down to take on this discussion today. sir, which one is it? taxes, is that on the table? >> well, we just discussed that in the republican conference. there are no votes to raise taxes and we are about raising revenue by getting the economy going again, by providing some certainty and regulation and certainty on taxes and health care. that's how we get more revenue. republicans are not opposed to that. what we are opposed to is tax increases. we need to cut the deficit, cap future spending, pass the cap and balance budget amendment. >> if the president, though, is willing to push democrats to cut programs they care about, can you explain why republicans won't budge on that? >> well, the problem we have in washington, and i'm a freshman looking from the outside in is this. they have been spending too much money. we're spending historically

incredible levels of spending, much beyond what we've done for the last multiple decades. it's a spending and not a revenue problem and the idea that we'll raise taxes and take more out of the faltering economy with 14 million americans out of work and we want to somehow talk about tax increases, that is exactly the wrong message that we need to send to entrepreneurs. >> thank you for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thank you. so is the so called man session a thing of the past? women are losing jobs while men are gaining them during this slow economic recovery. we're going to break it down for you. that's coming up next. will roam the earth. that's seven devices per person. this will change how we work in ways we've never before imagined. what do you need to secure your people, their devices, and your business? a network that can evolve and grow

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the latest job report shows an increase in sector. that will be broken down when we get them. the american workforce since the summer of 2009, a major demographic in our nation is taking an economic step back. men are getting work, 786,000 new jobs while women have lost more than 2,000 jobs over a two-year period. it's the first time since the 1970s where women lost work while men made job gains. sir, it's great to have you on this morning. we've seen a lot of studies that point to positives for women in the workforce. right now this study really shows the pain that women are experiencing, trying to get back

on a company payroll. and exactly why are they facing this right now when see men bracing the workforce so well? >> it's not exactly clear why men are doing better in this recovery. it's possible that there are simply more unemployed men so they are likely to be more among those hired at the moment. but that still leaves a lot of explaining left to do. for example, why is it that women are not just gained as many jobs as men but why have they lost jobs? and why is it the first economic recovery in modern economic times in which men are doing better than women? now, it is possible that men are showing a little more flexibility in terms of the salary that they are willing to accept and the type of work that they are willing to do? they are making gains in sectors that are traditionally strong for women, such as education and health services but they are not

rediscovering all jobs and construction and manufacturing? so they may be having more success in moving across sectors of the economy and at the moment doing better. but the recovery is still ongoing. >> is that the problem with the jobs avilleable across the country that may have been his storely female dominated roles that are now being taken over by men that have a more mature resume or a different skill set and may be overqualified to take a position that are now jumping in? >> i am not sure of that level of detail in the data. but education and health services, they are growing sectors and so men are sharing in that growth. whether or not they are pushing anyone out of work is something i cannot address. >> okay. thanks so much for coming on. we appreciate your time and insight in trying to figure out how these jobs breakdown.

thank you, sir. the state of georgia rocked by a massive cheating scandal. could be the country's biggest ever. how could this happen and is it a sign of a widespread national problem with our public schools? and casey anthony backlash. some protesters are demanding a boycott of any book that she writes in the future of the death of her daughter. so could she cash in on the media circus that is surrounding her trial? we'll explore the options for her after this. announcer ] anan anthis...is the netwo. a living, breathing intelligence that's helping drive the future of business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ machines have a voice. ♪ medical history follows you. it's the at&t network -- a network of possibilities... committed to delivering the most advanced mobile broadband experience

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be forced to take medication because he possesses a danger to hurt others and others say it violates his rights. jared loughner is charged with killing six people in a parking lot and severely wounding gabrielle giffords. the don't ask, don't tell policy rd odd the u.s. government to immediately stop enforcing the ban on openly gay men and women service women. new audio recordings from a near disaster in the sky over three months ago. the small crack in the fuselage of the southwest 737 bound for sacramento who blew a hole in the roof. the pilot wanted to turn back to phoenix but then realized he wouldn't make it. the faa released the tapes of conversations between air traffic control and the crew and it is clear they know they were

in trouble. >> the pilot landed that plane safely in yuma with no major injuries. police may have a new clue of a man that walked into a gallery and then stole a very valuable picasso. a man walked in and then walked out with a 1965 picasso title. how do they know someone walked out with this drawing? a security camera outside of a pub down the street from the gallery caught the man walking down the street. there's the guy. the picasso just under his arm. the picture was taken moments after it was stolen.

san francisco police are still looking for him and have confiscated the cab that he hailed to make his quick get away. look at him casually walking down the street. when you think about cheating in school, right now the atlanta school system is dealing with something very different. nearly 200 students reported that they doctored the results of a standardized test and the no child left behind law for this. >> when test scores are the only thing that matters in education, teachers feel that they have to boost those score ts by crook or by crook. >> president of the american federation of teachers joins us this morning. it's nice to have you on. this scandal -- >> great to be on. not on this issue, but it's great to be on. >> i know. and it's good to have you here so we can talk about this. because the scandal broke after

some educators held changing parties to correct answers and while the accused of the wrongdoing are just a fraction of the atlantic district teachers, how does this impact the opinion of the educators across the country? >> well, stories like this are terrible in terms of the public perception of the public schools and teachers and administrators, but worse than that, when you have a cheating scandal you do a tremendous disservice to the students and the community and hundreds and thousands of millions of teachers that don't engage in this. let me say this. our local in atlanta in december 2005 blew the whistle on this scandal. they heard it, they saw it, and they were ignored and what the report says is that there was such a culture of intimidation and reprisals that it created

the sense that this was -- that the meeting the targets was more important than actually teaching it and learning in schools. now, it's not just atlanta. we see that in washington, d.c., and other places. the bottom line is this, everywhere that we see that, we need to be out there and call for a thorough and clear, full investigation, whether it's atlanta and d.c. because cheating should never be condoned. >> randi, secretary of education had this to say, that there are no short cuts to success and there are schools and districts across georgia and across the country that are facing the same expectation to perform that are i can maing genuine progress without cheating. a report found that the main reason for the cheating was to meet targets in a data-driven environment. is the expectation something

that needs to be modified? >> it's actually the pressure to actually help all kids succeed is high and should be high. the difference is that we have a mania going on and a fixation going on about standardized tests which, by the way, are not really related to what kids know and are able to do in this economy. so what has happened is that there's been a fixation, a mania, on getting too high targets on standardized test as opposed to a broaden virnment for kids and that was the environment that the test is challenging and that report is right, that the environment and short cuts to get to there is you see examples of that throughout the country. >> the secretary makes a good point. there are no short cuts to success. thank you. appreciate your time today. >> thank you. casey anthony, and the man known as dsk, two different defendants and two different cases, but both are raising

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anna nicole smith. sir, it's nice to have you on this morning. i want to get your impact on the increased media attention and what influence it has had on the justice system? >> well, when a case is media driven, it puts a lot more pressure on everyone involved, the lawyers, the witnesses, the jury, and the judge, of course. and what happens is, when the media is watching a case, everything is looked at. they are watched everything. nothing is slipping by. >> sir, some might argue that the cameras influenced your own behavior with one liners he a even crying, all in an attempt to potentially be the next judge

judy. did the cameras impact you when you were presiding from the bench? >> well, i think the reporters looked at that issue and they all came back with a resounding no. everything i do in a courtroom was how i did it in the past. i'm just a natural individual that shows emotion and compassion and that's all judge larry. he gives it his all. >> we've just learned recently that there's a florida case filed against an attorney that made an obscene motion to reporters after casey's acquittal. what do you think about casey's sentencing this morning and little time that she needs to serve behind bars? >> what you're seeing is the releasing of tension and pressure by all of these different folks involved in a

case. but i want to remind them to remain dignified, keep their decorum and act like you would when a camera isn't on you. be good to people. have quality. i think what you saw today was judge and spoke loud in clear and guilty of the four misdemeanors and giving her the maximum penalty. one year in jail for each of the four misdemeanors and i think what will happen is they are calculating the final now that she needs to serve and it will be around 30 something or more days that you will have to spend in the can. >> judge, how do cameras in the court of public opinion, the fact that so many people around the country and around the world are watching how the justice system is moving forward with casey anthony is going to affect or did affect how the judge ruled today with throwing the book? i know some people have made the

joke, you only have to throw a pamphlet at her with what she was guilty of. but he did the best that he could do in terms of sentencing. >> yes. the judge obviously is a way he the media is around him but i think he was detached from that issue about the media. this is a judge that is inclined to rule sort of with the prosecution and this is the time she deserved. the maximum time that she cost the state of florida so much money in terms of investigation, law enforcement, and made the police foolish at times and it was unfair what she did and it was a crime. it was a first-degree misdemeanor. and he wanted to send a message out there not to send police on a wild goose chase. you're going to pay for it, if you do. >> and judge, real quickly, though, with dominique strauss-kahn now demanding that the sexual assault charges against him be released, the court of public opinion has definitely been in session over

what people think about that man and the charges brought against him. but there's been such a reversal of fortune one would say about what really went down. >> the french men is kissing his lucky star. you're lucky in new york that you've got a d.a. that is willing to admit, maybe i made a mistake here because they taped the alleged victim's statement that she made to her boyfriend in a can and they are lucky that they have those statements and then showing that she made -- she might have had a motive for what she said. and the d.a. is willing to say, look, maybe there's a mistake here. let's give this defendant justice and let's slowly now review all of the evidence. but you need to have a lot of dough. this defendant needed a lot of dough, get the right lawyers and all of the investigators scurrying around looking for the good evidence. and it's paid off. >> judge larry seidlin, good to

see you. thank you for coming on today. >> always a pleasure to be with. >> you judge larry gives us a session of dough and the fact that casey anthony is not entirely off the hook but she could be soon. what happens to her when she finally goes free? already speculating that the 25-year-old could cash in, siting potentially lucrative deals and movie deals and book deals. but you wonder if there is a market for someone of her notoriety. joining me to talk about that is marketing expert bob. it's good to have you on here. we've been keeping an eye on this trial for a long time. do you think that post prison casey has legs in terms of making something financially lucrative off the back end of this? >> look, i'm not a legal analyst. as a branding person, this is damaged goods. unless she comes out with some spectacular session, like i really did it, then what's the

story here? there's no hero. there's no feel good element about it. even if they did make a movie or a book about it, do you want to bring that into your bookstore or your movie house where people are going to be holding signs saying you're making money off a dead 2-year-old? i don't think so. i think it's going to be in the interview, that's where the money is going to be. >> i want to bring in this breaking news, announcing that casey anthony is going to be released in less than a week, coming up on wednesday of next week, july the 13th. so the speculation could go into overdrive in exactly what she's going to do, where she's going to show up. there have been stats out there about what people thought that she could potentially earn, tv interviews, 1 to $2 million, book deal, potentially movie rights, $250,000. it really does depend on the appetite of the american public because people could say publicly that they have no interested in this. i really don't like even doing this segment to talk about this.

but i would probably watch a movie or i would probably watch the interview just out of curiosity. >> well, that's my point. look, we've been bringing mayhem and murder to people's tv sets for a long time. it's csi on steroids. that's great. but at the end of the day, are you going to go out with a date movie for $13 to see this story? i don't think so. are you going to go to a book signing? i doubt it. ultimately it's damaged goods and people are upset because they didn't get the guilty verdict. isn't that why everybody watched this? let's say she gets the big deal. she just got convicted of lying this morning. anything she says has a big question mark after it. hollywood could get much better resolution than going, that's interesting than ever have to pay her a dime.

maybe i'm the contrary on that. i don't think she's going to be raking in the big dough. >> all right. but she's going to be out july 13th. wendy murphy, she's going to be out in less than a week coming up on wednesday, july the 13th. are you surprised by this? because when they left this morning to talk about good time, time served, people thought that it could be late july, early august. no one speculated that it could be wednesday -- as early as wednesday of next week. >> yeah, i'm a little bit surprised because in a case like this where you know what the convictions were, everybody had time to do the calculations and the judge of all people had time and he's the one who said end of july, early august. i think what happened is, while he was on break, the defense attorneys clearly persuaded him that he had not calculated what he called good time or earned time while she was behind bars and there was more credit for the list of days that she owes

under this four-year sentence that she gave. so she's out next week. look, it's a very mechanical question. how much time has she served, how much time does she have left? this is not one of the lawyers that made a stronger argument than the other. it's literally plug the numbers in and see what you come up with. it's strange that we are literally a week away and that's the number that she's now going to serve. roughly speaking, people think that she's going to get a year for killing her child. i'm sorry. a week for killing her child. >> ricki is back with us. wendy make as good point, they threw their hands up in the air not knowing when she could be getting out and here we have it now. we know that she's going to be out on july the 13th. did that come as a surprise to you or did you anticipate that it would be sooner? >> a lot of people anticipated that it would have been time served. one of the things that happens is in the 100 cases that i've tried and more that i've

covered, we have gone through this time and time again where we have both as an advocate and as a journalist, what we find is that both sides cannot agree, the judge cannot agree, the prison officials cannot agree, and it really, as wendy says correctly, should be mechanical but somehow it doesn't seem to be. and it really takes prison officials usually, or the jail officials or correctional people to say, this is what it is and this is the end. and so ne obviously in the end have the last word. >> and she looked like she was ready to go today, zoe made umar down, we have the old casey anthony back in town. >> and on july 13th she will be out of jail. i'll recap for you that we got the official word from the orange county office that they have come to a determination there after taking a recess

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welcome back, everybody. passing along the breaking news that we got moments ago about a release date for casey anthony. she will be released in less than a week, on wednesday, july 13th. this is after the prosecution and defense met with the judge to determine how much credited time casey anthony would get after she received her sentencing of four years in jail and $4,000 in fines. she will be out in less than a week, on july 13th. as we just learned about the major development with casey anthony being released much earlier for time served for the false statements that she made to authorities, the false statements have been a specific source of concern for beth holloway.

she's the mom of the missing teen, natalee holloway. her repeated lying has been compared to joran van der sloot. she's the man that she believes killed her daughter. there's a book out right now "portrait of a monster." lisa and cole co-wrote the book. tell me about the research that went into putting this book together and bring us up to speed about the comparisons and challenges to casey anthony and joran van der sloot. >> well, this book is six years in the making. lisa started the book in april 2005. >> yeah. >> right after natalee disappeared and as we know, joran told lie after lie. he gave 16 different versions to the police. there were so many lies that they didn't find the body and became almost impossible to

secure a conviction. he what i have been following in the casey anthony case, her lying and lying and lying and the amount of time it took to find the body made the prosecution there almost impossible as well. >> cole points out you dedicated a lot of your life to this story so far over the last six years. how difficult has it been for you to do this as a job, but also to break away and have some sort of a personal life? i would imagine this is very enveloping. >> yes. i'm actually a mother, i have two daughters, so i can really -- i actually, when i spent time down in aruba, i was there during the period of time that dave holloway was there, and it was heartwrenching to watch him every single day standing on that pier outside the holiday inn watching the search boats go out, pacing the dock, waiting for news. as a mother, i cannot imagine the anguish. it's very difficult, when you're reporting a story of this, you know, especially with no resolution, to separate. >> lisa, what were some of the

eye-opening things that people can find out in this book? i'm sure that for lots of people over the last six years, we have covered the case as journalists. i know as a viewer, i watched on different television shows and different updates, finding out what beth is doing, and also joran's latest crime in peru. bring us up to speed about what details came to light out of your research that people can find in this book. >> i think what's really fascinating is we both had access to police files from both aruba and then also from peru. so we were able to actually read both statements made by joran in his own words, which we were privy to, as well as all of his different versions of his interrogations. when you really sit down and read it, and you read it as a whole, it's really insightful to see the way he twists stories and that each time he's presented with a new piece of evidence, how he's able to immediately point the finger at somebody else. just the way casey did with the fictitious babysitter, he

pointed the finger at the security guards, then was able to point the finger at deepak and satish. in peru, he points the finger at some anonymous villains that had attacked he and stefanie while at the hotel. the spinning. >> it is a lot of different variations of a story to see which way -- it seems like the desperate attempt of a young man to try and get himself out of trouble. >> right. the basic story is always the same. it's just the last 10% he tweaks a little bit. >> i invite everybody to pick up a copy of the book. again, it's a fascinating story. we still don't have a resolution to knowing exactly what happened to natalee. the book is called "portrait of a monster." thank you for joining us this morning. we want to pass on breaking news we are just getting out of london. coming to us about one of britain's infamous tabloids, it is going to be publishing its last edition on sunday. james murdoch, son of rupert murdoch, admitted to making mistakes. the paper, which came under fire, "news of the world" when

phone messages of a missing 13-year-old girl were hacked and the girl was found dead months later. apparently they had hacked into the phone and also deleted messages and that gave the family hope that this young girl was still alive. the story has britain seething, wondering how this could happen. britain's prime minister even got involved, launching an investigation. but again, the big news coming that the "news of the world" to close and its last edition coming this week. we'll be following more on that story right here on msnbc. back with more right after this. s to stay ahead of her class. morning starts with arthritis pain... that's two pills before the first bell. [ bell rings ] it's time for recess... and more pills. afternoon art starts and so does her knee pain, that's two more pills. almost done, but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve because it can relieve pain all day with just two pills. this is lisa... who switched to aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels.

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